FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 5
WhenIntendToGraduate: 9
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Scott Caldwell
AdjunctSelectionNotes: It seems to matter a lot which adjunct faculty you select. There seems to be a big difference between the adjuncts that impacts students ability to finish. For example, my adjunct was really great about communicating his schedule, his response time, his expectations, etc. I have heard from two other students that their adjunct has taken long vacations without first letting them know, has not responded to them in timely ways, and has at times been unreachable without any kind of explanation. , My Pro Consult group was key to the completion of my project but had virtually no impact on my ability to complete my paper. My Pro Consult was over before I was able to begin my paper.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 5
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 140.142.184.120
Remote User:
Date: 10/04/2003
Time: 07:44:00 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I reduced my hrs from full-time (40/week) to part-time (32/week). Although I was in a sr mgt position, my responsibilities were not as demanding as in previous positions. I intentionally took a different, less demanding position during my enrollment at LIOS in order to balance workload demands with school demands.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

Do you mean the quarter following my last module? I tried to finish my thesis in order to graduate on time but found it impossible - it required more time/work than I could dedicate. I tried to finish by the end of January (after my school year ended the previous Oct.) but still found it required more time/work than I could dedicate. I took off Feb. thru mid-April because I had a baby. Then picked it back up mid-April and finished by mid-June. My orals were in July with a minor content addition required and I graduated in September. I had stopped working at the end of January to go on maternity leave and did not work while I finished my paper. I don't think I would have completed it if I had gone back to work - I think I would still be working on it. I literally dedicated every spare minute to getting it done.

PriorityFactors

Well, I had a baby in February so my personal priorities necessarily shifted for a couple of months. Also, needing some down time away after completing my second year (away from LIOS and to myself) was a factor.

I don't know that any factors would have increased my motivation - I was highly motivated.

Factors that could have increased my ability to complete my thesis more quickly include the following two major points: - less rigid content and formatting specifications - structuring the 2nd year so that assigned papers became chapters in my thesis (i.e., the change mgt paper would need to be relevant to my thesis and would become a chapter with few necessary modifications; the PTP would also become a chapter with few necessary modifications; etc.).

ImpactOfPolicyChange

I harbor some resentment about having to pay nearly $500/quarter for the add'l three quarters it took me to complete my thesis. The additional nearly $1500 was tough for me, personally, and added salt to my wound since I was highly motivated to finish on time but despite my best efforts (and a great deal of time devoted to finishing), I needed more time.

My first sense of impact after reading Pam's letter is that it is financially punitive and puts all the responsibility on the student instead of looking at what role/responsibility LIOS as the broader system may have on this situation. I think that I would have had a more positive personal reaction if it had been more balanced - i.e., "heres your part" AND "here's what WE are going to do differently."

WhatWouldMotivateMe

See my answer to 2e....

"I don't know that any factors would have increased my motivation - I was highly motivated.

Factors that could have increased my ability to complete my thesis more quickly include the following two major points: - less rigid content and formatting specifications - structuring the 2nd year so that assigned papers became chapters in my thesis (i.e., the change mgt paper would need to be relevant to my thesis and would become a chapter with few necessary modifications; the PTP would also become a chapter with few necessary modifications; etc.)."

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

This is a little unclear - do you mean complete your thesis on time? Or by December of my "3rd year"?

I think I've already answered this, above.

ThirdYearWants

Might have been helpful to have offered groups comprised of my track classmates so we could exchange ideas, offer support, etc. Maybe some kind of extension of the Pro Consult concept.

FinishedAppreciated

n/a

FactorsWithinMyControl

- A super supportive husband/family. - An adjunct who communicated clearly re: his response times as well as his working relationship with me. I was always clear about where I stood with him in terms of the process. - Having an adjunct who was readily available by phone and email. Even if he wanted at least a week to return drafts, he was always available to talk and discuss the process at any time. He responded to my communications with him within 24 hrs (usually within a few hours). - Having an adjunct who was committed to his working relationship with me. Even when I didn't agree with his POV or choices, he was always open to dialogue and I got the sense that he cared about the quality of his relationship with me. - Not working (coincidentally being on maternity leave from my work).

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

See my response to 2e. Also....

I have the sense that the MTFP paper is a rite of passage, sort of like boot camp. If you can survive the frustrations of the process after already completing all the demands of the two-year program, you become an "officer." This seems out of balance after having completed the coursework - like a huge add'l expectation that is not required of SC track.

My sense of the MTFP paper process is that it is pedagogical in tone which seems out of place after my experience in the program which seemed inherently androgogical. There seems to currently be less dialogue and more authority saying "here is what I expect, now do it." This was pretty de-motivating at a number of points.

FacultyFeedback

- Less rigid content and formatting expectations. Create a way for the student to feel that his/her authentic voice is heard (while still giving appropriate guidance/feedback).

- Create Pro Consult-type groups of 3rd years (and beyond) trying to finish their papers. For exchange of ideas and support.

- Be clear that unless you are not working and/or don't have kids or other family/personal demands and/or are willing to apply a grueling nearly singular focus on your paper/school to the near exclusion of everything else ... it seems virtually impossible to finish within 2 years.

GeneralNotes

I ended up changing thesis projects early in my 2nd year. At one pt, it was questionable whether I would have a project secured by the start of the 2nd module in my 2nd year. Partly because of the pressure to have something lined up or else be bumped to a different program (basically be "held back" a quarter), I rushed thru the contracting phase and did not catch what were clearly red flags in retrospect re: my project. This is a tough pt - I know there have to be some parameters about getting projects lined up so a student is on the same general timeline as his/her classmates, but I also think there needs to be some accomodation to quality (and/or unique conditions) of the projects as much as the timeline.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 40-49
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 2
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Karl Kraber
AdjunctSelectionNotes: I went into the relationship thinking I was partnering with a senior consultant to do a consulting project and presented partially-formed ideas about how I might approach the project. My expectations were not met. I'm sure Karl is a good consultant, however, he is primarily dedicated to production of a quality thesis product. I now see him as a tough editor and this works., The inquiry from peers and faculty is very helpful in both execution of the client engagement and writing of the thesis. The pro-consult group can serve as other eyes on the intervention, for example, helping one consider alternative intervention points or strategies. I carried emotion from my client engagment into pro-consult. My peers' refelection helped me to sort out where my FOO synapses were triggering. In my opinion, a lot of parallel processing takes place in pro-consult and I think that is valuable data. All these things can raise the quality of the client engagement and the writing as well.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 2
ProcunsulName: Pam Johnson
Mentor: I am interested in becomming a mentor
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 66.52.197.107
Remote User:
Date: 10/04/2003
Time: 09:24:31 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

My employment demands were such that I had very little time/energy to spend on my thesis.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

My employment demands continued to severely limit my ability to complete my thesis in the third year. However, several months into my third year, I radically changed my employment situation, cutting my hours by over 65% with a commensurate drop in work responsibilities. This worked.

PriorityFactors

Economy and marital balance were influential factors with deeper, and I believe stronger, internal processes taking place within my self. My professional situation has mirrored economic trends for the last few years. Throughout 2001 and 2002, I spent increasingly more time and energy around financial concerns, e.g., working long hours for low pay and selling my house. From a family systems perspective, my wife recently completed a long LIOS "third year." So there is a complementarity dynamic feeding this as well. Beneath all this is an organic process that is uniquely mine, including FOO issues, e.g., do I deserve a Master's degree?

ImpactOfPolicyChange

No impact.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

I don't want to continue paying $450/quarter for continuing studies. I see completion of the thesis as my next step in moving forward professionally.

ThirdYearWants

The paradox: As a 3rd year, I have passed through much of the fire, yet through much of my 3rd year I did not feel strong. I had something to offer the community as a result of my ongoing experience, yet I felt a need to draw in. As a 2nd year, I was mainly interested in my own process, my own role in the community. I did not want 3rd years stealing my thunder. However when I opened to 3rd years, I was enriched and picked up valuable information. For example, naps are good. I think the boundary of the 2nd year and 3rd year groups is key. To work at that boundary would, in my opinion, take humility on the part of the 2nd years and courage of the 3rd years. I believe the work is alive at that boundary and the 2nd years could gain actionable data while the 3rd years recovered their strength. [Ashley's note: do we pay on this with the 3rd year's that come to the meeting?]

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

The discipline to sit down and write. The discipline to constrain my research within manageable spans of breadth and depth.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

More clarity on expectations regarding the writing. I think the track resource manual is adequate as is. However, I think more time spent with it in curriculum with the goal of increasing clarity would help.

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 50-59
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 5
WhenIntendToGraduate: 6
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 3
PolicyMotivation: 1
AdequateStaffSupport: 5
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName: Karl Kraber
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Your FOO will activate big time, My percepttion was that pro con was for all the obstacles during the MTP project- not to problem solve for the thesis writing
AdequateProConsulSupport: 6
ProcunsulName: Pam
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: No thanks, but I would like to see the survey results.
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 66.54.1.38
Remote User:
Date: 10/04/2003
Time: 11:33:07 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I worked 1/2 time, for pay; I also consider parenting work, with no pay involved. My biggest issue was lack of writing and expressive skills,coupled with difficulties presented by material in the last modules. I had some major personal development issues that needed attention.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

I had curriculum to repeat-and fit in between work and the holidays. The thesis could wait.

PriorityFactors

repeating curriculum, and processing the resulting personal growth.I needed additional time to view the project(hindsight).I would benefit by working informally w/ a group of folks doing their theses.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

total fear. Why have I not seen this until now? Now I'm angry. Part of my thesis is about communication- and this constitutes an appalling lack of communication-from the lead instructor of CCO herself.I expect more functional leadership behavior from LIOS. Heal thyself, LIOS.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

A few kick off meetings would help-pull together those who are writing. How strange that learning in community ceases with Mod 7. I find it difficult that relationships with faculty become history rather than ongoing. Maybe we are missing something by thinking that community is dissolved in Mod 7. Perhaps Mod 7 is an artificial boundary.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

I'd love to see thesis writers face to face and hear tips and learnings they've gleaned as they work chapter to chapter.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

my desire to have this finished and not hanging over my head.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

a stated willingness to 'hold' all the geographically separated writers- an oppenness to being helpful

FacultyFeedback

I get the feeling that as long as we pay tuition, we have the attention of faculty. When tuition isn't paid, the welcome mat is removed.

GeneralNotes

I wonder if there's a difference between completion of winter track and the other tracks. And I wonder if there's a correlation between Track Leads leadership styles, and the willingness to stay engaged with students, and vice versa-students willingness to stay engaged w/ instructors. Just a hunch.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 50-59
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 3
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 3
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Dell Drake
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Your relationship with your adjunct will be part of your learning.  Get to know them early in the process.  Contract with them about how you'll work and if they have the technical ability to receive documents via email.  , Use Pro Consult as another opportunity to learn how to build a team and support each other.  The ropes courses (low and high) that we did were fabulous!
AdequateProConsulSupport: 1
ProcunsulName: Bill
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 65.102.52.97
Remote User:
Date: 10/04/2003
Time: 06:35:23 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

Not employed, thank goodness~!

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

Doing Action Research in Fall 2002 on "on time graduation" helped me a lot. I heard from the 2nd years what was concerning them and it allowed me to plan for this year. Because I am unemployed, it is a high priority for me to finish so I can go back into the work world with a completed degree and not having an MTP hanging over my head.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

I didn't read the policy until today. I feel irritated about the possible additional financial burden, but that is more because it's a surprise to me. My motivation to finish the MTP is internal to me.
[Ashley's note: Let's take credit for informing people about this via our survey... accent the value we provided already]

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

I intend to complete my thesis on time, but it is not guaranteed yet. I'm behind compared to the schedule that was proposed earlier in the year. What contributed to my motivation to finish: not wanting it hanging over my head - not wanting my memory about the project to fade, which would make it even harder to finish; wanting to get out and apply my skills and earn money with the degree completed; having the time now (choosing to stay unemployed until I'm finished).

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

• Receiving a schedule at end of my first year that outlined what parts of the MTP project should be done by when in order to graduate on time. That was very sobering - and allowed me to do some planning. 
• Having an adjunct - so I had someone to call when I was anxious or needed help sorting something out. 
• The MTP Listserv - to read about the experience of others and learn from them. 
• Pro Consult was terrific on a zillion levels, including moving throught the project. 
• Having to write my Practitioner Theory Paper in the summer. 

It was a confusing project that required similar synsethizing skills to the MTP. I have more confidence that I can write the MTP because I wrote the PTP.

FactorsWithinMyControl

Scheduling my time and energy. I have wiped my social calendar clean so I can focus on writing. I'm taking good care of my health -yoga every morning, eating good food along with junk food. Also, I'm in contact with a greater spirit - I pray a lot and ask for guidance. I'm trying to do this project in cooperation with the universe, instead of trying to control what happens. It is a great challenge for me to let go and trust that the right thing will happen! I ask for help from my colleagues or adjunct or friends when I need it.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

I think Lorellette [Librarian] could give some workshops on how to do research. She could use another computer in the LIOS library that has access to online databases and show people some tricks. I also think she should have a copy of EndNote software for writing in the APA style and creating references. It would encourage people for writing articles in the future. Sean Hatt provided us with a Word MTP "template". It's been terrific to use in formating all the italics, headings etc. Perhaps LIOS could provide it or put it on the Web site. [Ashley's note: This would be Debbie Vogel, to be added here: http://www.lios.org/school/currentstudents/welcome.php ]

FacultyFeedback

Bill and Pam have both been very supportive of me at different stages of my project. Bill helped me figure out a way to save my project that prevented me from having to start over. Both have been responsive to phone calls/emails and it made a big difference to me.

GeneralNotes

I encourage you to think of this as another opportunity for your learning. One of the greatest surprises for me has been how interesting it is for me to learn how to write in a style (active voice, APA style, clear writing) that I've not experienced before.

I also encourage folks to use the End Note software. It continues to be easy to use and I think will make the reference section easy for me.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: Yes
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 3
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 2
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName: Scott Caldwell (he's not doing it anymore)
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Talk to students who have worked with that adjunct before, and/or some way for students to create a shared repository of info. re each adjunct., [Ashley's note: We can add value to the comunity by having a seciotn on the adjuncts in our data feedback] Use 'em!  Ask questions.  If your project takes a turn for the worse or weird, be sure you are clear about what you need to do to make sure the project still meets MTP requirements.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 2
ProcunsulName: Bill
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: No thanks, but I would like to see the survey results.
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 130.76.32.20
Remote User:
Date: 10/05/2003
Time: 10:33:30 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I worked full-time+ (60-hour weeks were not uncommon), and traveled extensively (50%). I also found time within the work week to do required reading and research. I wrote my thesis about 25% on work time and 75% on evenings/weekends.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I knew it was a required element of the program and it didn't really ever occur to me to be "late."

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

Personal commitment to meeting program requirements. Desire to be "done."

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

I had a great adjunct. We were mutually responsive and I felt the right balance of support/challenge from him.

FactorsWithinMyControl

I made it a priority and scheduled time accordingly.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

Adjuncts who are responsive to student needs (some weren't as lucky as I was). Clearer instructions in Pro-Consult re: what is/isn't an acceptable project.

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 50-59
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 4
UnderstoodExpectations: 2
WhenIntendToGraduate: 24
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 3
AdequateStaffSupport: 3
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName:
AdjunctSelectionNotes: I did not really invovle my adjunct. That was a mistake. Work with them like mentors and kind task masters. , Take full advantage of it. Go in formally prepared for each session even if you are not going to present! Use the structure that is there to full advantage if you are able...
AdequateProConsulSupport: 2
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 67.168.42.210
Remote User:
Date: 10/05/2003
Time: 12:45:20 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I was working full time. Thought many people have done projects at Boeing I chose not too. That decision was part of my "personal journey", not a Boeing policy or anything. As a matter of fact, I intend to do a new project and this time at Boeing to make most use of my time.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

It was much more than my employment demands that kept me from completing my thesis. My personal growth work was taking the majority of my energy. My Boeing job took the rest. Spending every night and weekend writing the thesis just was not going to happen for me. In addition, in the middle of my third year I experience another intensive piece of "growth" that demanded my time and priorities.

To focus on just the work demands seems to miss the larger picture based on my experience. The psychological and emotional work that LIOS engenders continues in the third year. Its a very real impact. Some cope with it better than others, possibly even using the thesis to avoid that work!

PriorityFactors

I have put some structure around my personal growth work. Also, I see many opportunities to combine my thesis work with my regular work. Further, where I was not THAT motivated by the credential when in LIOS I have "recovered my senses", see the reality of American life, and now know that for some of things I want to do the credential is needed.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

In general I like the change. It has flexibility, the 3rd year LOA, which serves me, and it has additional structure to encourage me to do the work or resign at the end of the LOA. However, I am not sure how it applies to me since it was implemented after my Module 7.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

Not sure - given the more or less unique nature of the LIOS program, with its combination of personal work and formal work, and having the seen the dramatic reaction to imposed structure both in my class, my predecessor class and having heard about it the class that followed, I think this is very challenging problem. Balancing the students growth needs, including significant reparenting in many cases, with all the implications for authority relations, with the formal structure typically used to "encourage" on time performance, poses a truly creative problem. I had several classmates,as you do I am sure, that are life time over achievers and yet did not finish their thesis by the December following module 7. Why? I think its mostly because they were fully engaged by the personal work and may have even been, as is my case, in rebellion against structure. That being part of the authority stuff. I think the new policy is a good starting point.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

The ability to get in touch with the faculty lead. I would also like to be able to join a pro-consult group. Also,perhaps a forum for getting together with other "3rd ad 4th years" as a support group.  [Ashley's note: we should give this back to the group to implement... our service is making the want known. ]

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

FacultyFeedback

Some sort of change in the process that "forces" people to do the lit review before the intervention. This could be a gate review and part to the 2nd year assessment process. If you have not written that chapter (at least in draft) you are dropped 2 grades.

If this is a going in expectation right from the intial interview, then I think it would be ok. If imposed mid year, BOOM

GeneralNotes

For me the emotional and psychological learning that came from my LIOS experience is far and away its greatest gift. Whatever changes are please keep that aspect of LIOS always in the forefront.

I am succeeding post-LIOS where I failed dramatically pre-LIOS. The MA is not the reason. And still, I support the efforts to improve the graduation rate. There is even more learning to be gained.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: 11 - 15 years
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName: Barbara Green
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Involve them early and often, and stay in consistent contact with them. Be organized when you meet with them so you maximize their time and they will always be willing to see you when you need them., Enjoy it. It's an important part of the program, and helped me in completing my project on time.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 1
ProcunsulName: Pam
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 67.75.196.17
Remote User:
Date: 10/06/2003
Time: 01:20:31 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I sold my business so I could concentrate fully on school.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I was highly motivated. One, that's just my personality. I like to meet or exceed expectations. Two, I new that my MTP client engagement had a shelf-life. The longer I waited to write it up, the less potent were my memories of the experience. I did not want to minimize the learning and thus the quality of the paper. I think that was the most important motivation.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

I'm glad to see this tightening of the policy. Though it would probably not have changed my experience at all, it may have increased the number of my colleagues who were present at graduation day with me, and my SC friends. It was a tad lonely, I must admit, to be the only one from our class present at commencement. And I worry that many of my classmates who put in so much time and effort with me won't complete the process at all.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

As I said before, I was highly motivated as a point of personality. To me, it was as if I had signed a contract to finish in two years when I entered the program. In my heart, I would have let myself down, as well as my mentors on the faculty--including my adjunct. With that said, I realize that my circumstances were completely different without the added pressure of full time employment, but I know I would have still made the same attempt.

ThirdYearWants

I've made myself available to classmates for consultation in their projects--particularly if they had to start new client engagements. I know that has worked well for one of my colleagues, and it has been fun for me.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

Self discipline. Fear of failure. Desire to meet or exceed the standard. (At the time) Desire to begin working immediately after school was finished.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

I think LIOS does what it needs to do. This is all about us hunkering down and getting the work done. It's painful. But it's doable. Carolyn Righi, my classmate completed it on time, working full time for Boeing, and traveling to St. Louis for 6 weeks at a time on business trips. This is about the level of personal commitment for each student--and the grace of the universe in providing a project that doesn't get de-railed by something out of his or her control (like a sponsor being fired or becoming ill, or the like).

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 2
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Dell
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Decide up front how you and your adjunct can best communicate.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 5
ProcunsulName: Pam
Mentor: I have heard about it, but not investigated it
FollowUpMeeting: -- Follow Up --
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 12.230.196.130
Remote User:
Date: 10/06/2003
Time: 03:23:47 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I own my own business. In order to finish the program I decided to put my business on hold since last May. This choice allowed me to balance school demands along with family (which is my highest priority).

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I want to graduate on time and move on with my life. My LIOS experience was wonderful - and now I am ready to move on.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

Pam is very up front as to what needs to be completed. Since I was serious about completing the program on time I followed her schedule very closely. I managed my time well and I set priorities.

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

Keeping in contact with my adjunct was helpful. I felt like I pretty much was on my own. This is a graduate level program and I am capable of setting my schedule and my priorities. Most of my support came outside of LIOS with a very supportive spouse, dad, friends, and my children.

FactorsWithinMyControl

A wonderfully supportive family and the ability to manage time and priorities.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

I think the faculty was helpful when approached.

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 3
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 3
AdequateStaffSupport: 3
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName:
AdjunctSelectionNotes: No matter what may you think during about the selection process, you always get  the perfect adjunct for you., As a group, you need to develop--e.g. go though the stages. Otherwise, it isn't a very useful group.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 4
ProcunsulName: Pam
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
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Remote Name: 63.231.50.185
Remote User:
Date: 10/09/2003
Time: 07:52:06 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I did not work.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I was planning on completing my thesis on time. However, I wasn't able to complete my project until the end of July. Writing a thesis has turned out to be a real process and very time consuming, with the other demands in my life, I decided that I would rather live a balanced life than kill myself (and my family) trying to make a date that really turned out not to be that significant. I do plan to finish my thesis before the end of this calendar year.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

Nothing, this was a personal decision.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

I am already in contact with people in my 2nd year class that I feel support me. I do like the listserv and would be interested in any communication from people still working on their thesis.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

FacultyFeedback

I think it was great that Pam created a timeline for both the curriculum work and the thesis. I think there could be more discussion about the process of writing the thesis. I was very surprised that I wasn't able to just sit down and write it. There has been alot of reflection, research and just plain resistance to this project. I'm thinking that if some people might have come in say Mod 5 or 6 and sat down and said here are my expereriences in writing my thesis, I might have expected something a little different.

GeneralNotes

The thesis is the academic rigor in what I call the group hug world. It is a real adjustment, requiring alot of discipline. It's been a bigger growing experience for me not to make the deadline, than if I would have, as strange as that may sound. At the end of the day, I want my thesis process to be as profound? useful? as the rest of the program. And that is what surprised me.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: 11 - 15 years
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 2
UnderstoodExpectations: 3
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 3
AdequateStaffSupport: 3
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Karen O'Brien
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Karen is great as an adjunct.  Very supportive and has helped me worked through the dilemmas of my project.  She has been willing to listen and work with me on my ideas for the write up of my thesis.  She is not very hands-on though.  Only when I contact her do we talk.  I'm not sure what other adjuncts are like, if they contact their students or not.  I don't think I needed much more from Karen.  I haven't sent her any of my thesis chapters yet, so I'll see how she works with me there.  She was supportive with my MTP proposal and was supportive of what needed to change in order for her approval., Pro-Consult is a great way to discuss our projects and get the support and help we need from faculty and peers.  I loved my pro-consult group.  We were true peers who really pushed each other in the areas of our projects that needed help.  It was a true learning experience.  Take advantage of it and bring in the most "stuck" pieces of your project for discussion.  I marked mid-agree because pro-consult was basically done (only one left after Module 5) before we even began our writing process so the thesis writing was not discussed very much.  The thesis writing has its own hang-ups and learnings that are different than the hang-ups that occurred in our projects.  To be helpful for writing, we would have needed to meet more after the writing process had begun.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 3
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell
Mentor: Other (please elaborate below)
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
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Remote Name: 198.81.26.80
Remote User:
Date: 10/09/2003
Time: 10:03:33 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I left my job in December of my first year at LIOS. I was burned out at work and I knew how demanding the 2nd year was going to be. My action research project was focused on low on-time graduation rates. I had heard from the 2nd years (at that time) how demanding it would be. I still will not finish my thesis on time, mostly because of a personal "crisis" that started this summer and that is still taking a lot of my time. Although I have tried not to sacrific my school and my thesis.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I marked "on time" above, but I will not be able to graduate "on time". Our final product (thesis) is due on October 17, before Module 7 even begins. I tried hard to get as much of my thesis done as I could, but then recognized that there would be no way that I could complete it by the date. I gave myself some grace and took some of the pressure off. I have made a commitment that despite the fact that I won't be able to graduate with my class, I will have my thesis completed by December. One, it gets harder to write the further away from the project that I get. Two, I want to have it "off my back". I want to end this year saying I am done with all the work I have to do at LIOS. I mentioned my "personal crisis" in the above question, that marked the level of priority I could give my thesis. Also, the 2nd year is so much work that I was a little burned out and I have had ongoing work that I've had to do for modules that had to take priority over the thesis as well. My project also didn't flow with the suggested timeline and only ended a few weeks ago. In the real world, most consulting projects will take longer than the time that was alloted for our MTPs. If we're doing an MTP in the real world, that needs to be recognized by the faculty. Any hiccup or problem with the client group and you fall off the timeline. Factors that would increase my motivation: I recognize that I'm an adult, but it might have been helpful for faculty to check our progress on the actual writing . During pro-consult, we discussed our projects, but there wasn't a real push to start writing. My recommendation for the current 1st years is to start writing some of your thesis as it happens. I could have written a lot starting in April, but put it off until my project was complete which wasn't until the end of September.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

The policy did not influence me. I made it a personal goal to have my thesis complete by the end of this year. I do not want to have anything hanging over my head as I get back in the work force. I also think that completing by December is the completion of my work at LIOS and I want to say that I did do the full program in two years even if I could not graduate on time.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

At least a recognition by the faculty that most projects do not follow the timeline given for the MTP. The "real world" does not revolve around this timeline. I'm not sure what the could do about it, but it's an important factor in low on-time graduation rates. As I stated before, the faculty could check in not only with the progress of the MTP, but also with the thesis writing. What would they do if the project was taking "too long"? What are their personal recommendations for writing? Also recognizing the amount of work that is given to the 2nd years. I'm not complaining about the curriculum, I enjoyed it greatly, but we constantly had projects and papers taking place, that took a lot of time to complete. I don't know another time for our PTPs to be written, but that took a great deal of my time during the summer as it was one of the most important papers that I could write.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

I mentioned above that although I will not make the October 17 deadline for thesis completion, I will have my thesis complete by December. The factors for my motivations are listed in 3c.

ThirdYearWants

I'm probably in this category because I won't graduate on time. I'm not sure how to answer this question. I know that the current 3rd years, really used the listserv to discuss their projects and thesis. Our class did not. I'm curious of the dynamics of our class and the listserv that made this forum less useable. Probably the greatest service to me will be continued contact with the peers in my group that are my support system. Also my internal motivation is the greatest support I have for completing my thesis.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

Although my project was not complete, I could have started writing earlier. The push or drive for me to do it was within my control, but with all the other stuff in my world, including LIOS work, I did not connect with my drive until September to finish my thesis.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

See 3d.

FacultyFeedback

I think I've answered this one in questions 3 and 4. Let me know if you need more

GeneralNotes

I had vaguely heard about it at the beginning of this year. I think through an email by LIOS admin. It was not pushed by the faculty at all. It might have been helpful, I don't know. I'm more interested now as I get into the consulting field than it would have during first of the year. The year was so busy that I barely had time to meet with my mentee, let alone take advantage of this program.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 40-49
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 3
WhenIntendToGraduate: 12
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation:
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 3
AdjunctName:
AdjunctSelectionNotes:
AdequateProConsulSupport: 1
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell (spt. to complete PROJECT)
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
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Remote Name: 64.12.96.102
Remote User:
Date: 10/09/2003
Time: 06:08:27 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I spent much of my second year working on a project in Alaska that required extensive travel. Between scheduled Alaska work and LIOS modules in Washington, there were relatively few unscheduled days that I could commit to my MTP in Oregon.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

I made a decision not to complete my thesis and instead focus on my wedding and marriage in September. While work demands were an influence, this personal decision was key.

PriorityFactors

I believe the MTP as currently structured is primarily aligned to the goal of creating "scholar practitioners" in consulting. The APA format and the prescriptive requirements of using action research approach are in line with this goal. However, this was neither an explicitly state goal in any of the materials I reviewed or interviews I had before starting LIOS. It doesn't happen to be a personal goal of mine. I don't agree that working towards excellence as a practitioner requires a traditional academic approach. I agree and support the LIOS goal of establishing and maintaining high standards for the work of students in the program. I simply do not believe that the current approach in the MTP is the only or best way to reach for such standards.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

I believe this policy reflects some deeply held assumptions within LIOS about why students do or don't complete their thesis projects. My bias is that even the action research projects associated with this topic have been pretty narrowly defined in ways that simply support existing assumptions. It might be interesting to ask students who have completed their thesis what they gained by doing so, whether or not the process was as much in service to their learning as they'd hoped, to what degree they experienced writing the thesis as a formality to get their degree, etc. While the thesis is a priority to LIOS, and I can't get my degree without it, the clients I have in my consulting practice aren't much concerned with my status as a scholar and are far more interested in how I show up as a practitioner. During my pro-consult, we extensively discussed how our master's project could be combined with our practitioner theory paper to create a master's thesis that would be a very personal, very in-depth examination of who we were as practitioners, what we believed and acted on, what theories we tended to use, how things showed up in our projects, etc. This would clearly be a much more personal document, and would fit the APA format at all. In my mind, however, this would create a 75-100 page foundation for describing our "signature presence" in a powerful way. While it might have taken me as many hours to create such a document as it will to do my MTP, my bias is that the pay-off for me as a practitioner and for potential practitioners reading my "theory of practice" would be far greater than what I'm writing now.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

I know from talking to the accredidation body that it is NOT required that LIOS students complete a thesis in APA format. I would like LIOS faculty to think carefully about what purpose they believe should be served by the master's project. Is the purpose really specifically to practice action research only? Could the purpose be stated in terms of what the student should be able to do in connection with the project and then have the student decide which models or approaches meet those outcomes and their particular circumstances best? What is the purpose of writing up the project? Is it mostly about prospective students? Is it mostly so companies and other schools see LIOS has an "academic" approach? Is it mostly about harvesting learning? What type of write up makes sense depends very much on the answers to those questions. And when those questions are answered, it would be nice if LIOS marketing materials and student recruitment and screening process was consistent with what faculty are actually doing in the program.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

Deciding the credential is more important to me than other things I could be doing with the 10-20 days of time that writing up the thesis will take me. It was never hard for me to see the sense in making the time I spent on the project itself a priority - I had huge learning every step of the way.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

Unlike counseling, in which payment is directly tied to being "authorized" and credentialed to do the work, both consulting and coaching are not currently as boxed in by required credentials. While many settings do want and ask for an academic foundation for these functions, many other settings accept effectiveness and excellence as a "credential". If LIOS intends to recruit and train consultants/coaches primarily for settings in which credentials matter, then it might be a good idea to sort this out, make it explicit, and say it is about making students scholar/practitioners in OD settings.

FacultyFeedback

I understand the faculty assumption that part of the learning is to work things out with their adjunct as they complete the thesis. However, in the absence of clear institutional expectations of what a student should be able, at a minimum, to ask of an adjunct, it seems to me that there is huge variation among faculty and among adjuncts in views of what is reasonable for an adjunct to do or not do. While this intensely personal decision re: role is very much in keeping with academic culture, I saw myself as a 40-something person paying appx. $30,000 for an educational experience, and I wanted LIOS to put some boundaries on expectations of adjuncts and other faculty re: simple things like should a student be able to expect someone to call them back in a couple days, a couple weeks, a month, if they felt like it, or never? I interpreted having most staff at LIOS seemingly get to define all this personally as a problem for me.

GeneralNotes

I'm curious about whether anyone has looked at why rates of thesis completion are a problem and who they are a problem to. Has anyone interviewed people who haven't completed their thesis and asked them what the impact of not completing the thesis has been, in other words, what "pain" has been attached to not completing. Is this a problem for the institution and, if so, why? If this a problem for recruiting incoming students? What is the benefit, and who will get it, if suddenly 100% of students complete their MTP's on time?

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 40-49
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 6
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Karl Kraber
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Use them, use them, call, write., I think we had an outstanding pro-consult. Bill was open to our suggestions around forming- ropes course at the first one. Bill brought nuts and bolts from his real world knowlege, tried different things out. The best advice was that the process is not sequencial, it is very fluid, it keeps on looping around, this was invaluable to and helped me immensily in my MTP.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 1
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
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Remote Name: 152.163.252.135
Remote User:
Date: 10/09/2003
Time: 07:22:30 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I work full time either in the field for NOLS or with consulting clients. I adjusted this during the period I worked in my MTP client system. MY work load has increased enough that I will not complete the written part of my thesis.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

My work load, my work at NOLS put me in a backcountry setting with a pack, students and a full daily schedule. In addition I have been dealing with family medical issues.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

It just seems to me a way of collecting $ and increasing a persons cost. A very cookie cutter approach, not something we want to do with our clients. Irritated. It almost seems punitive in nature.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

None, I wanted to complete my thesis by October. My MTP went well and I was done by mid May. To many family issues to deal with and work ramped up.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

Flexibility, contact with pro-consult faculty, acces as a guest to a pro-consult meeting if necessary.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

Karl told me to keep a journal during my MTP I highly recomend it. I also think that I just might finish writing my thesis by December and graduate in March.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: 6-10 years
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 2
UnderstoodExpectations: 5
WhenIntendToGraduate: 3
RelativePriority: 3
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 3
AdequateStaffSupport: 2
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 5
AdjunctName: Dell
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Get to know them and see what is their expectation from you or communicate what expectation you have from him/her, Use resources in your group and try to be on the same paste
AdequateProConsulSupport: 2
ProcunsulName: Pam Jhonson
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: No thanks, but I would like to see the survey results.
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Remote Name: 64.12.96.102
Remote User:
Date: 10/10/2003
Time: 10:33:08 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

Real Estate

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I am dependent on my job for my income and future business. It will take a long time to get established if I leave my job for my school

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

More communication or incouragement from adjunct can help

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

Getting done with it and feeling that I have accomplished something rather than draging it on

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

help and support from classmates

FactorsWithinMyControl

motivation and taking control over project rather than relying on sponsor

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

following up from adjunct or faculty on where we are on our project

FacultyFeedback

After module 6 I feel I was left out and nobody is checking on me to see where I am with my project

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 40-49
YearsWorking: It's been longer than that
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 24
RelativePriority: 3
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 2
PolicyMotivation: 5
AdequateStaffSupport: 4
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 2
AdjunctName: Barbara Green
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Your relationship with adjunct faculty will profoundly influence your MTP experience.  Go with your intuition when you choose an adjunct, and spend some time building your relationship.  Use them., Come prepared with specific questions.  Challenge each other, as well as support.  My motivation to complete my thesis on time actually decreased as members of my Proconsult realized they were not going to finish on time, and I relaxed my own timeline.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 5
ProcunsulName: Pam Johnson
Mentor: I have heard about it, but not investigated it
FollowUpMeeting: No thanks, but I would like to see the survey results.
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Remote Name: 67.75.205.236
Remote User:
Date: 10/13/2003
Time: 09:53:57 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I began a new, part-time job early in my second year. Faced with my first year of working during the summer when my children were not in school, I decided to postpone writing my thesis. Bad decision.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

Employment, financial, and family responsibilities have continued to mount since my last module, almost as if they had been kept at bay while I was at LIOS, and rushed in to fill the "vacuum" when curriculum ended. Carving out time to complete my thesis seems impossible.

PriorityFactors

Single parenthood, financial responsibilities, increasing responsibilities and satisfaction at work influence the priority level. Money and the approaching deadline would increase my ability and motivation.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

Using the stick instead of the carrot feels punitive. Rather than negative financial incentives I would like to see benchmarks for thesis completion imbedded in the curriculum - ample time for literature review prior to beginning the MTP, draft Chapters due by certain dates, etc. What you need to focus on is changing a norm.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

I have no comment at this time.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

I don't think this matters - it's all about individual motivation, determination, circumstances, and choices.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

Staying in touch with LIOS faculty and students in ongoing relationships. Implementing LIOS knowledge and skills in my job is when I get excited about working on my thesis, and hearing of others' progress and success.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

How about a continuing pro-consult formed around the writing process?

FacultyFeedback

I haven't had any personal contact with Pam since the end of module 7, even when I have responsed to her requests on the listserve. Continued relationship with her would have been motivating.

GeneralNotes

Redesign of 2nd year curriculum flow. Begin work on Practitioner Theory early on so students will have their theory as a resource during the MTP process. Combine change management with MTP to consolidate research and provide practical experience. Move MTP back a bit in the year. Have specific due dates for completion of certain stages of thesis preparation (lit review) and writing.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 25 - 29
YearsWorking: 6-10 years
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 6
UnderstoodExpectations: 3
WhenIntendToGraduate: 3
RelativePriority: 1
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 2
AdequateStaffSupport: 5
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 3
AdjunctName: Karl Kraber
AdjunctSelectionNotes: Use their time because you are paying for it and it will help you in the long run. Do your FOO work so you do not get triggered by your adjunct. Make sure you have a very clear contract with them and adjust if necessary., Your classmates and pro-consult is really helpful to completing the project. Intentionally establish group development in pro-consult. This is so the environment is trusting and helpful rather than about group development issue not worked on.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 6
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell
Mentor: I have made a choice not to participate
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
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Remote Name: 67.160.190.36
Remote User:
Date: 10/13/2003
Time: 11:50:29 AM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I worked the first year, but not the second, so it doesn't apply.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

I spent a lot of time working on my own personal development issues necessary for me to develop in order to be a competent practitioner. Also, I only recently completed the MTP due to sponsors going on vacation, as well as starting the thesis project later.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

Although, I was motivated to finish before, I was even more determined to finish at an earlier date. This is due to the financial aspect of registering each subsequent quarter.

WhatWouldMotivateMe

Nothing would motivate me now, as I am already motivated. However, earlier into the program there should be more learning opportunities provided at LIOS to give students like me (with less consulting related work experience) more working knowledge. By this I mean other consulting experiences prior to the MTP or internships.

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

I think that having a coaching relationship with the adjunct would help. But I also think that this depends upon the individual student and adjunct in developing this relationship. Also, I think it would be supportive to get more help in getting a thesis project (how, where,when) with a motivated client. This is so the project starts on time. Since I started the project late it ended later as well.

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

I think that working to be on schedule with the project is important to the completion of the project. In addition, it is important to have a motivated client and be motivated yourself. Furthermore, I think that making sure to put the thesis project and thesis ahead of other responsibilities aids in the completion of the project.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

I think that there is a difference between completing the thesis project and the thesis. I think it is crucial to have the thesis project completed or almost completed in order to start the paper. I think starting the project earlier would be helpful because I don't think the timeline that we are given is realistic with most clients.

FacultyFeedback

I think that the second year is overly demanding. There is a large discrepancy between the amount of coursework the first year and the second year. I think that the coursework needs to be more balanced. Also, I think it needs to be balanced between personal growth work and coursework. In addition,I think starting the thesis the first year would be helpful. I also think that there should be other learning labs within LIOs, as well as other options besides the thesis. Furthermore, I think that theis completion comes down to individual choices and individual practitioner development. Although, finishing the project late is one reason I haven't completed the thesis yet. the other reason is because I have focused on my own development as a person and as a practitioner. Being a competent practitioner is another requirement in order to graduate.

GeneralNotes

I made the choice not to participate with the mentoring program because I live far away. But if I knew more about it maybe I would have changed my mind. My second year mentor from last year has been very helpful to me this year.

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2002
AgeAtEntry: 30-39
YearsWorking: 11 - 15 years
MTP_At_Work: Does not apply (e.g.: not employed)
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 1
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 1
PolicyMotivation: 4
AdequateStaffSupport: 1
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName: Nancy Winship
AdjunctSelectionNotes: , Make sure you are clear with what you want from the group - guidance, support, idea generation, coaching, etc.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 2
ProcunsulName: Bill Braswell/Pam Johnson
Mentor: I have heard about it, but not investigated it
FollowUpMeeting: Yes... please provide details via E-mail
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 63.164.145.198
Remote User:
Date: 10/13/2003
Time: 12:24:35 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

I have not been working this year and have had time to work on the thesis but have chosen not to at times as I needed a break from thinking/writing about it all.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

PriorityFactors

My biggest issue has been around being motivated to complete the writing portion of the thesis. At this point, I'm having senioritis and wanting school to be over...diving back in to write the thesis has been challenging as I spent so much time thinking about it that I'm sort of over it...even though the writing process itself is a learning experience.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

Just willing myself to get it done so I can move on.

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

The relationship and support of my adjunct and faculty (Pam/Bill) has been critical. But in the end ... it's up to me.

FactorsWithinMyControl

Staying on schedule as much as possible with the client system and starting to write sooner rather than later.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

The thesis is a weird thing...if something falls through on the client side or they need more time that can impact completing the project on time.

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 25 - 29
YearsWorking: 6-10 years
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations:
UnderstoodExpectations:
WhenIntendToGraduate: -- Select Time Frame --
RelativePriority:
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: -- Select Below --
PolicyMotivation:
AdequateStaffSupport:
AdequateAdjunctSupport:
AdjunctName:
AdjunctSelectionNotes:
AdequateProConsulSupport:
ProcunsulName:
Mentor: -- Select One --
FollowUpMeeting: -- Follow Up --
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Remote Name: 172.193.182.176
Remote User:
Date: 10/14/2003
Time: 08:47:01 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

i worked part time, and had more time available than most students, but i still can not imaging writing the thesis during the second year.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

still worked part time, but felt a need to not continue the incredible pace and intensity of work that had become normal during the second year at lios.

PriorityFactors

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

FinishedAppreciated

FactorsWithinMyControl

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

FacultyFeedback

GeneralNotes

FollowUp: Yes
StartYear: 2001
AgeAtEntry: 25 - 29
YearsWorking: 6-10 years
MTP_At_Work: No
UnderstandExpectations: 1
UnderstoodExpectations: 6
WhenIntendToGraduate: 0
RelativePriority: 2
FamiliarWithPolicyChange: 3
PolicyMotivation: 0
AdequateStaffSupport: 4
AdequateAdjunctSupport: 1
AdjunctName: karl kraber
AdjunctSelectionNotes: i appreciated the adjuncts willingness to look at every chapter individualy as i was turning them out, and go through as many edits as needed. , write down their comments in the paper, take references right away, type quotes right away. i lost much of the pro consult richness because i did not document it, and 6 months later, i forgot most of it! my scribbly notes did not help much.
AdequateProConsulSupport: 4
ProcunsulName: pam
Mentor: I am not familiar with the mentor program
FollowUpMeeting: No thanks, but I would like to see the survey results.
Submit: Please press this button to submit your survey
Remote Name: 172.193.182.176
Remote User:
Date: 10/14/2003
Time: 09:03:42 PM

SecondYearWorkingDetails

i worked part time, and had more time available than most students, but i still can not imaging writing the thesis during the second year.

ThirdYearWorkingDetails

still worked part time, but felt a need to not continue the incredible pace and intensity of work that had become normal during the second year at lios.

PriorityFactors

Personal principle - I finish everything I set out to do. Financial investment. Desire to have a degree. It would have increased my motivation to have some kind of support structure provided by LIOS - a monthly pro-consult with benchmarks for all of us to stick with (just like it was for all other work we had to complete at lios). Also, having a more clear idea of how to go about putting my degree to work. I have finsihed my thesis now, and I have no idea how to sell myself in the workforce now that I am about to have a degree.

ImpactOfPolicyChange

WhatWouldMotivateMe

WhatAlreadyMotivatedMe

ThirdYearWants

continuing pro consult group until finishing the thesis

FinishedAppreciated

adjunct who was willing to stay in continual contact with me and look at work in progress at any time.

FactorsWithinMyControl

engaging friends and family to keep reminding me to stay on track. making a plan of action with dates. sitting down to work on it each day, for at least 20 minutes. MOST IMPORTANT, WHICH I DID NOT DO: WRITE WHILE YOU ARE DOING THE PROJECT. WRITE DOWN EVERY RELEVANT DETAIL AND IDEA IN THE CHAPTER IT BELONGS IN. ARRANGE AND REWRITE AFTER THE PROJECT IS DONE.

FactorsWithinLIOSControl

continue pro consult until the thesis is completed. droping us completely after the end of the second year was an enormous shock and it took the wind out of my sales for a long time.

FacultyFeedback

it is not reasonable to expect the thesis to be done while finishing the requirements of the second year. there needs to be continuing contact for at least another quarter afterwards.

GeneralNotes

WRITE AS YOU DO THE PROJECT! BUILD AN OUTLINE OF CHAPTERS AND START FILLING IN DETAILS AS THE OCCUR.